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Please enjoy this episode with law professor Rhonda Magee from the Universityof San Francisco Law School. She has 25+ years experience teaching and working in the areas of mindfulness and race.

Her book, “The Inner Work of racial Justice” is an instruction manual and work book on how to have hard conversations around race and racism in the US. Her fundamental proposition and encouragement is first to be gentle with yourself and do self care. Learn mindfulness and enter into this process with grace and forgiveness. The second, ay engaged. She believes if we all commit to stay in conversation with each other we will find that we are more alike then different. She sees healing in learning about each other and in the power of story telling. The episode is rich and deep and covers a lot of ground. Enjoy!!!


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